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Jorgito escribió:Aquí ya vemos diferencia Tyson 88 , en tu primer post mencionaste que se agregaban puntos según los golpes y ahora belos que no. Ya vez que no fui yo quien patino? En el boxeo profecional los puntos se pierden o se mantienen, en el amateur los puntos se ganan. Ahora en lo traído por Héctor se deduce lo dicho por un servidor. En los asaltos perejos quien propone y lleva la iniciativa del combate es quien merece la conservación del
Puntaje.

Saludos.

No,lo puse arriba,que el punto 3 ya te deja claro que era un error lo del punto 4,de todas formas te pegue el reglamento español,y es exactamente lo mismo que el otro,quitando 3 palabras de un punto,y en caso de igualdad es lo mismo que el otro,habilidad,estilo y eficacia no iniciativa,no pone nada de iniciativa,pone el que sea mas habil en el ring que posea mas estilo y eficacia no veo iniciativa por ningun lado,por lo tanto esta usted equivocado.

Saludos amigos

Por favor, Jorgito, leete bien el primer post con el que tyson empieza el hilo. Alli te especifica claramente que los dos boxeadores empiezan en 10 y patatin patatan. Leanse los argumentos y las fuentes antes de tratar de tirarlos por tierra.

¿Entonces si que hay que tener en cuenta la contundencia de los golpes? ¿Es decir un golpe limpio es aquél que impacta claramente en el rival y además lo hace con cierta contendencia? ¿Hay alguna definición más clara al respecto? ¿Alguien tiene el reglamento oficial que deben seguir los jueces en Las Vegas, es la Comisión atletica de Nevada la responsable de los combate sde boxeo en Las Vegas?

No, creo fantastic.

Es mas bien las normativas de las asociaciones que rigen este negocio (IBF, CMB,AMB, OMB), segun el combate y el titulo en juego.

Distinto es cuando hay unifcacion de titulos. Pero vaya creo que ese punto sera comun en todas las asociaciones.

fantastic escribió:¿Entonces si que hay que tener en cuenta la contundencia de los golpes? ¿Es decir un golpe limpio es aquél que impacta claramente en el rival y además lo hace con cierta contendencia? ¿Hay alguna definición más clara al respecto? ¿Alguien tiene el reglamento oficial que deben seguir los jueces en Las Vegas, es la Comisión atletica de Nevada la responsable de los combate sde boxeo en Las Vegas?

Pero no puedes percibir la fuerza acaso que recibas tu el golpe! No te vale la española? No creo que difiera en casi nada la verdad...
Un golpe limpio es un golpe que entra claramente impactando en la cara o el cuerpo,sin rotacion del oponente ni rozando en los brazos,etc..
La contundencia del golpe la dicta el oponente,que se cae o no se cae...pero si tenemos que medir la fuerza del golpe mal vamos...

Pero no puedes percibir la fuerza acaso que recibas tu el golpe! No te vale la española? No creo que difiera en casi nada la verdad...
Un golpe limpio es un golpe que entra claramente impactando en la cara o el cuerpo,sin rotacion del oponente ni rozando en los brazos,etc..
La contundencia del golpe la dicta el oponente,que se cae o no se cae...pero si tenemos que medir la fuerza del golpe mal vamos...

Cuando hablan de contundencia yo entiendo que se refieren a CIERTA contundencia, no se trata de medir la fuerza de cada golpe sino que cuando se percibe que un golpe tiene cierta contundencia (no sé algo así como deformación del guante, penetración, retroceso o hundimiento del blanco, etc) pues ya puntua como golpe limpio. Hay algo en relación a esto porque si dicen "power vs cuantity" algo debe estar escrito al respecto.

¿El reglamento español vale en las peleas de las Vegas? Yo creo que no. He encontrado esto: The Nevada Athletic Commission (popularly known as the Nevada State Athletic Commission or NSAC) regulates all contests and exhibitions of unarmed combat within the state of Nevada, including licensure and supervision of promoters, boxers, kickboxers, mixed martial arts fighters, seconds, ring officials, managers, and matchmakers.

Y esto:

The Association of Boxing Commissions (ABC) is a North American not for profit professional boxing and Mixed Martial Arts (MMA) organization that provides a framework for undertaking boxing and MMA bouts and record keeping. It is made up of members from state and tribal athletic commissions from the United States and Canada.

Creo que aquí está como se puntuan las peleas en USA:

http://www.abcboxing.com/documents/abcb ... rogram.htm

Las reglas varian un poco, pero en esencia son las mismas. Yo he leido sistemas de puntuacion en el que los rounds parejos se los lleva el boxeador con iniciativa, un golpe al cuerpo vale lo mismo que uno a la cara, los golpes no se puntuan si no tienen el soporte del cuerpo etc. Lo ideal seria que cada espectador tuviera un reglamento a la mano para evitar en la medida de lo posible que los gustos se conviertan en sesgo a la hora de puntuar.

Y como dice fantastic el reglamento español no es igual al de EU

Extraigo lo importante del archivo que he puesto:

PROFESSIONAL BOXING JUDGES

III. SCORING ZONE

Every judge should be aware of the scoring zone. The method for establishing the scoring zone starts at the top center of the head, with an imaginary line continuing down the sides of the head through the ears, down to and including the shoulders to the naval and hipbones. Caution should be taken in using the beltline, due to boxers keeping the trunks high above the navel. Any punch delivered outside of the scoring zone should not be considered when scoring the bout.

The test to measure the awarding of points for “offensive boxing” should be the number of direct, clean punches delivered with the knuckle part of the closed glove on any part of the scoring zone of the opponent’s body above the belt line. The judges should also consider the effect of blows received versus the number of punches delivered. Punches that are blocked or deflected should not be considered in tabulating your score. Blocked or deflected punches that land foul are not to be considered fouls in the awarding of points at the end of the round.

In most cases the arms are considered defensive weapons. However, judges must take into consideration the shoulders of a boxer as being in the scoring zone.

V. SCORING THE BOUT

As a professional boxing judge, your analytical skill is to recognize and acknowledge any advantage one participant is having over the other. At any given point of a round, you must know who is winning. At the conclusion of the round, the contestant who has won the round, no matter how minute the margin, is entitled to that round. The difference might have been a single jab, or a defensive move, yet it was still enough to give that boxer the edge.

The 10-point must system will be utilized for scoring all bouts. The winner of the round will receive 10 points, (minus any points deductions for fouls) with the lesser score awarded to the loser of the round (minus any points deductions for fouls). There are to be no fraction of points awarded, and in the event of an even round, the score will be 10/10. Even rounds should rarely, if ever happen.

A total of three (3) minutes of concentration must be used in determining the winner of a round. Judges should avoid any inclination to watch a particular contestant. Total concentration on one contestant could result in a judge’s failure to see scoring tactics by the other participant. Judges are advised to direct their gaze midway between the two contestants, causing the judge to see and note the actions of both contestants.

Determination should not be mistaken for aggressiveness when one boxer continuously moves forward boring in on the opponent regardless of the number of punches being received. If an attack is not effective, the boxer cannot receive credit for it. In order for the boxer to be effective in their aggressiveness, he or she must force the action and set the tempo of the bout through forward movement. The boxer must score punches while blocking and avoiding the opponents counter punching. An aggressive boxer who continues boring in and getting hit from every angle should not be awarded points based on aggressiveness.

A judge should not only know what a 10/9 round is, but know the degree a boxer is winning the 10/9 round. Either a boxer won a close 10/9 round, a moderate 10/9 round, or a decisive 10/9 round. Extreme decisive may push the score to a 10/8 score depending on the judgment of the judge.

Mentally, a judge MUST know which contestant is winning the round at any given point. You should know the score of the round, and the score should immediately be written on the scorecard at the end of the round.

The application of these scoring concepts will determine a winner in each round.


VI. COMPLETION OF THE SCORECARD

If the referee indicates that a contestant has been knocked down, it must be scored as a knockdown. The referee is the only official that can penalize a contestant for a foul. Judges must deduct points for infractions when the referee officially designates a foul and point deduction.

Double-check your math before handing your scorecard to the referee. If a mistake was made by you on the scorecard, correct and initial your scorecard and inform the referee of your mistake and correction.

Fill out the scorecard in its entirety, enter the points, and turn it over to the referee.

The referee will pick up the cards after each round and turn them over to the Athletic Commission Supervisor.

VIII. SCORING CRITERIA

The Ten-point must system shall be in effect. The winner of the round will receive ten points and the loser will receive nine points or less (minus any point deductions).

· 10/9 From a “close” to “moderate” margin

· 10/8 EXTREMELY DECISIVE (without a knockdown)

· 10/8 One knockdown

· 10/7 Two knockdowns

· 10/6 More than (2) two knockdowns

· 10/10 Cannot pick a winner (very rare)



IX. POINT DEDUCTION SCORING

When the referee declares a foul and deducts point(s), the judge must write the amount of the deduction on his scorecard at that moment. Should the referee take additional points the judge must draw a line through his original deduction and put the new amount of point deductions. He must initial the corrected amount. Only the referee can declare point deductions for fouls.



X. SCORING KNOCKDOWNS

A judge can only score a knockdown when the referee declares one.

· In most cases two (2) points may be awarded for the first knockdown in a round, for either fighter, one (1) point thereafter for each additional knockdown. However, in rare cases, good discretion must be used and a judge may award only one (1) point in cases where the boxer who suffered the knockdown clearly dominated the round.

· The ABC recommends that a round should never be scored less than 10/6 regardless the number of knockdowns (minus any point deductions).


XI. EVEN ROUNDS

There are even rounds, however they are VERY rare. A judge that scores multiple even rounds displays a lack of concentration and the inability of making a decision.

“Always remember to judge with your eyes, not your heart, and above all, render an honest decision.”

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Una vez más Tyson ERROR
UD A traído el reglamento de la FEDERACIÓN ESPAÑOLA DE BOXEO.
y le recuerdo que la pelea fue en LAS VEGAS E.E.U.U.A.A además de que fue sancionada por la comisión atlética de el estado de Nevada y se rigio por el reglamento de la asociación mundial de boxeo a la cual ambos pertenecen.
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